Faithless Elector Update, 15 Nov 2016

From TBlake (as a comment on the Final Veil Is Falling post) who has been watching the faithless elector situation unfold; two separate mainstream sources:

And Another for the fire:

Two Democratic members of the Electoral College have launched a campaign to keep President-elect Donald Trump from entering the White House, according to a new report.

Washington’s Bret Chiafolo and Colorado’s Michael Baca hope at least 37 of their GOP colleagues will abandon Trump and force the House into picking the next president instead

Two Democratic members of the Electoral College have launched a radical last-ditch attempt to stop Donald Trump from winning the presidency.

P. Bret Chiafalo, a Washington State elector who has already declared his opposition to Hillary Clinton, and Micheal Baca of Colorado have launched what they’ve dubbed “Moral Electors,” an attempt to persuade 37 of their Republican colleagues to bail on Trump — just enough to block Trump’s election and leave the final decision to the House of Representatives.


Thanks, Tony. Damn, I would like to be wrong about this, but it appears that the astroturf electoral “heal the nation” revolution is picking up steam beyond the trial balloon stage. If this happens, expect a social purge the likes of which we have never seen. All of those Marxists who have spent the last week crying into their tofu will be strutting around looking for any target for their rage.

I read a great post from Chateau Heartiste this morning on the cognitive dissonance aspect of liberal psychology. Read that and then imagine all these same people feeling vindicated and omnipotent.

Forewarned is forearmed. No time like the Christmas break to get your kids out of public school and start homeschooling.

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too bad for bret and mike (and her) that she already conceded. I saw it on tv the next day


Legally, her concession is meaningless and non-binding if the Electors select her. She would then have to officially refuse to accept the position.


Republicans control the house. If there are enough electors that go rouge they will turn it to the house and get Mitt Romney or Ted Cruz.


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173d Viet Vet

Many think that if the Electors vote for Billary or Johnson/Stein that the House of Representatives can pick anyone to become President.

WRONG! Please re-read the Constitution which clearly states that the House of Representatives must select as President from within the top three individuals voted upon by the Electors. Unless many Electors defect from their state voter mandates and name a Bush, a Romney, a Kasich, or a Cruz*, the House cannot just pick some favored hack.

(ed. Correct. See the original post on The Final Veil Is Falling. It would be sufficient for one compromised defector to pick a party hack, and others to abstain. This would create the necessary conditions. Other combinations are also possible.)

* Cruz is not eligible to become President. The requirement of “natural born citizen” means a person born of the parents who were themselves US citizens when Cruz was born. He was born in Canada and it is well known that his father was a Cuban refugee who only recently became a US citizen..


And also:

I, as well as two of my three children were born abroad due to military assignments of my father /myself. Both myself and my children are “natural born citizens” because our parents (mothers and fathers) were citizens when we were born overseas. It is not the location of our birth as much as the citizenship of our parents at the time of our births that makes the determination of our eligibility for those two offices.


“Chief Justice Waite, in Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), stated: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” Here we can see that the U.S. Supreme Court in all three of these cases adopted Vattel’s definition of what a “natural born Citizen” is, and specifically repeated his two U.S.-parent test.”

(ed. Granted, but what mechanism exists to police this? A compromised House would have already picked him for this to be a practical issue. By the facts as you have presented them, Cruz should have never been a candidate, and yet he was. We have passed the point where facts and law matter, which is the entire point of this exercise, as a show of force of that reality.)


Other legal scholars define “natural born” as not needing to apply for citizenship to become an American. By this test Cruz passes easily as he is automatically a citizen due to the citizenship of his mother.

It might also be worth pointing out that from a plain language standpoint, the fact that CJ Waite stated that anyone “born in a country of parents who were citizens” does not actually preclude others from also being citizens, it only clarifies that those particular people are definitely citizens without making any claims as to the status of anyone else.


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Piper Michael

I hope, and pray, that all this is now moot.
I see, and think, and now understand, what many cannot( because their partisanship blinds them), the reason why President Elect Trump (oh that has such a nice ring to it…) is bringing in all those who had such vitriol for him. And by all accounts, they are seeing ‘The Real Donald’, and showing something we thought we’d never see; unification.

I just saw that the new President, will NOT ACCEPT THE SALARY that goes with being President. He is forced to take $1 a year, to be considered an ’employee’ of the Federal Government. Wow, now that speaks to my soul more than any other thing. That shows the character of The Man, The Intentions, The Honesty of his apologies of being a ‘flawed messenger’. How many other politicians do we know, who have admitted their own faults, apologized, and never equivocate? Then, not take the government for everything they can get out of it?

I know a few VA employees I would like to hang… literally. I stalk around the hallways of the local VA Clinic, probably in places I shouldn’t be, just to observe, listen and absorb. And what I absorb is simple, the place has been filled with ‘friends of Moochelle’.
– ‘They caain’t fire you honey, you a Federal employee now…
– ‘Yeah, waaaht ‘chu want?
– ‘Nah, you don’t have no appointment in ‘da system. Yeah, I see you in ‘der, but it ain’t give no auth code for a appointment’
– ‘Got no paperwork on ya.’
– ‘Seems you need to resubmit ‘da app form’

But, it appears, certain, uhm, people, get everything they need, when they want it, and have no problems…

Mr. Trump needs to fire everybody and merge Medicare, Medicaid, VA healthcare, and eliminate the limits on FICA taxes., You know Obama stole the Obamacare money from Medicare, right? This is because everybody on planet Earth competes for the one thing everybody needs/wants… money. It is in limjited supply because it is ‘owned’ by banks, who ‘rent’ it out to everybody, including the governments. All of Earth is limited by money, and bankers. All ideas, all new technologies, space expansion, resources on asteroids, we could do everything we needed, except for the fact, that the rich bastards up top, want their fingers in everything. A rising tide lifts all boats, JFK said, but now, the water is receding. And will become worse, as time ticks on, I fear for what a President Trump will have to deal with, but there is also an easy solution to most of the problems. They are now pushing for ‘cashless’ systems, this will give them ultimate control, and become very Biblical…

There is only one solution to all the worlds problems, banks, and debt based money, needs to end. He needs to end the Fed, and issue US Treasury Bills, not ‘notes’. Lincoln did this when he had a war to fight(being a southern boy, not a fan, but he did some good things), New York bankers were going to charge 30 percent interest, so he told them to ‘go to hell’… He invented ‘The Greenback’, US Treasury Bills, issued without debts. FDR took us off the gold standard. Nixon closed the gold window to International finance. Trump will now have the power, understanding debt like he does, to fix everything with the stroke of a pen. He might have to hang a few bankers however, because private Rothschild banking, is the enemy of mankind.

Some say we need to return to the gold standard. Bah. I love gold, but gold is limited in quantity, and becoming a scarce commodity, it cannot keep up with demand, so its price must rise to the moon eventually. A return to the gold standard would also return to the days of constant depressions, and like the 1870’s, bankers hanging from lampposts. The government could do anything they wanted with this solution, I don’t like it, but, its the only way, unless of course, we want a world war to reduce the population. People like Hillary Clinton, want that solution, because that is the only solution that will keep them, and their kind, ‘in charge’.

Finally, remember this, ideology has now been exposed as a chimera of rich people. Both the ideologies of left and right, lead to the same result, a few people owning everything and pronouncing themselves BOSS. If you have a brain you can now see what I referred to in my article; The Kabuki dance in the theater of the damned.
Think about that.


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